rodger asked for comments , ithought the master class went very well i personally got alot from it whither i remember it remains to be seen ,but it was very good, the plate i made looked very good (and yes nick my wife linda was like me and said it was all right but would have looked better without the paint) sorry about that but your old enough to take the truth now,.only down side iwould see to this sort of demo is its rather dear for working folk, the night time demo was also very good iam shure alot of us enjoyed it, thanks to committie for bringing another top scalp to ower owen area thanks jake